Steve Urbach wrote:Am I understanding this correctly?
As a Lifetime member of the USHPA and a former FF Club Officer, I can no longer participate on this forum because I can't Fly anymore?
USHPA SOP 06-01.04 Organizational Requirements wrote:C. Chapters are required to allow membership by all USHPA-rated pilots who are also qualified to fly at Chapter-controlled sites, without restrictions. All Chapter members must have full voting privileges.
F. Chapters and its officers are required to be goodwill ambassadors for USHPA and are expected to work within the USHPA committee system to support USHPA’s image and support USHPA programs. Chapters cannot on one hand participate in USHPA subsidized programs and on the other take actions which are detrimental to the USHPA and the sport. Examples of actions which may be detrimental are:
1. Any correspondence in any public media which is critical of USHPA’s programs and policies.
2. Any correspondence in any public media which is critical of other Chapters.
3. Any Club policy which is detrimental or causes harm to any USHPA program.
G. Chapters may not, as a matter of policy, negligently or willfully discriminate against pilots of one glider type, either hang glider or paraglider, or discriminate between pilots of equal pilot rating. Chapters must ensure that recreational flight privileges are made available to any and all qualified USHPA members meeting Chapter site requirements in a fair and equitable manner without discrimination. Note: This requirement does not indicate that a site cannot be hang gliding only or paragliding only. Glider specific sites are permissible for safety, land owner, and possibly other conditions.
Big Bird wrote:Some of the fringe flying sites that Bay Area pilots sometimes use rely on access to the discussion boards to get important information out to the flying community. Hat Creek Rim is one of those sites.
Turning your discussion board into a member only board is your prerogative. I would suggest, if you do make it members only, that there be club officers listed that would be willing to post for a non-member if that officer felt the info was noninflammatory and useful.
Phil
flyin_canuck wrote:Bob please explain what FF having a members only forum has anything to do with USHPA
flyin_canuck wrote:Funny thing is USHPA passes some things a lot of people didn't like, some pilots voiced their opinion in a civil, constructive manner and had the ruling reversed....too bad you piss people off so much nobody wants anything to do with you
flyin_canuck wrote:Do hang gliding a favor a go away
Steve Rodrigues wrote:I'd like to hear any ideas that would serve the club and our flying community while at the same time maintain our upstanding image.
thermal pirate wrote:Just look how well FF does with the GGNRA and how bad your Hawks do at Torrey. That may sting, but something about what the FF are doing works, and all without your precious input.
You asked for it so there you go.
bobk wrote:Urs is one of the Directors elected in part by members of your club. I am not a member of your club, but I have information that your members might want to hear about the issues that Urs has supported and opposed on the USHPA Board (the most obvious being open voting by Board members so you can see how he's voting). If I'm prohibited from mentioning this, then how will your members know that Urs hasn't supported open voting? Can you please direct me to any place on this forum where that's been shown to the members of your club?
bobk wrote:Hi Brian (zippidy),
I wish it were so simple. For example, how many people on this forum know Urs' voting record at USHPA?
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we have no track record of how Directors vote on the Board
they don't publish how Directors vote
the most obvious being open voting by Board members so you can see how he's voting)
rights of the members to know how their own Directors are voting?
One of the biggest "meta problems" I see at USHPA is the lack of any voting record by the Board members
That's why they won't publish how they vote
Daniel Pifko wrote:It's about brevity, Bob. You're being a nudnik, and it's cluttering the forum.
Daniel Pifko wrote:I also happen to agree with the notion of having votes be on record
Hi Urs,
You're our Regional Director, and we should know how you vote. Can you please report that to this forum? Also, would you please propose some kind of USHPA SOP or bylaw change so all members can see how their Directors are voting?
Thanks,
Your loyal supporter,
Daniel Pifko
Hi Dave Wills,
You're our Regional Director, USHPA VP, and Organization and Bylaws Chairman. I've heard that Bob Kuczewski proposed a bylaws amendment in your O&B committee that would have helped members find out how their Directors have voted. I also heard that he sent you several requests to get this on the agenda of your committee and you refused. When he brought it up at the committee meeting you refused to even allow the discussion. I think it's important for members to know how their Directors are voting, and I'm asking you to propose an SOP change or a bylaw change to implement that.
Thanks,
Your loyal supporter,
Daniel Pifko
bobk wrote: It's about people (like me) saying things others (like you) don't want to have said. How about if we can just be that honest with each other?
Then why haven't you joined me in requesting that of our Directors? ... <crickets>
It's interesting that you took the time to count how many times I've mentioned the voting issue, but you wouldn't take the time to post something like this:Hi Urs,
You're our Regional Director, and we should know how you vote. Can you please report that to this forum? Also, would you please propose some kind of USHPA SOP or bylaw change so all members can see how their Directors are voting?
Thanks,
Your loyal supporter,
Daniel Pifko
Until I see something like that, I know my work here isn't done.
Steve Rodrigues wrote:The best solution for not continuing this BS is to simply stop replying!
I am now officially done with this thread and encourage others who feel the same to take a similar approach.
Notice down at the bottom left corner of the page is a button to unsubscribe from this topic. Bye bye!
Daniel Pifko wrote:Steve Rodrigues wrote:The best solution for not continuing this BS is to simply stop replying!
I am now officially done with this thread and encourage others who feel the same to take a similar approach.
Notice down at the bottom left corner of the page is a button to unsubscribe from this topic. Bye bye!
Thanks, Steve. You're right - this topic jumped the shark a long time ago. I succumbed briefly.
Mark Lilledahl wrote:The more I read Bob Kuczewski's stuff the more I like and Trust him, and his politics.Truly a voice of reason.
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We nead Bob Kuczewski.
Steve Rodrigues wrote:Notice down at the bottom left corner of the page is a button to unsubscribe from this topic. Bye bye!
Jose wrote:thanks Steve for pointing out the unsubscribe button...bye bye.
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